Missouri quietly passed a law that will immediately forcibly detransition every trans person in its prisons. According to its sponsor, they deserve it because “they’ve been convicted of a crime."
Hmmm... It's hilarious that you, with your towering TERF intellect that is so superior to all of ours, don't realize you just agreed with Amber's point. I think that was not your intention. Was it?
This is a death sentence for post-op trans women. Not hypothetical, not imaginary; they will die. A post-op trans woman without estradiol is considered to be in a life-threatening medical emergency, period. It doesn't matter what courts rule; ultimately, SCOTUS will gleefully allow it. They have now proceeded to begin killing us. Prisoners are just the start.
This new law is abhorrent, absolutely! However, for the record, a post-op losing exogenous estradiol is not in a medical emergency. It's more similar to forced menopause. I happen to be in such a situation. I was talked into discontinuing HRT about 10 years ago, in the wake of the Women's Health Initiative study, which recommended against HRT (for ALL women) to reduce a small slate of serious lifetime medical risks. Of course NOW we learn that the data were incorrectly interpreted and that this was a bad recommendation. I plan to go back on HRT soon, and there is zero research to indicate whether this is a good idea or a bad idea (resuming HRT after a decade of being off it, not knowing whether it is "too late" physiologically). Of course this law will put post-op inmates into the same situation of having to make medical decisions later that are not informed by medical research.
IMO, the worst effects will be suffered by inmates who have not undergone GRS - especially trans women, who will suffer the masculinizing effects of their endogenous hormones. That, combined with forced social detransition, will be devastating psychologically. If I were in that situation, along with having to suffer incarceration among intact men, there's no question I would commit suicide.
I appreciate your comment, but my health care team has another perspective, and it is absolutely a different situation medically and hormonally from cis menopause. I certainly did not intend to downplay the horrific impacts on non-op trans individuals by limiting the scope of my comment. None are free until all are free. All the best, Tess
It might be a bit different from natural menopause, but it's pretty much identical to a cis woman being hysterectomized.
FAIW, my physician recently ordered up some labs to test my circulating steroid levels. Even without testes or ovaries, I have similar levels of circulating steroids to post-menopausal women, undoubtedly due to adrenal production.
At age 65, I feel I'm in pretty good health overall, but I do want to re-start the HRT, at least at low levels, because I do feel my body getting old. (Why age faster than you have to, right?)
Not sure about your country, but in the US, cisgender female prisoners are very often sexually harassed/assaulted/raped by male prison guards, but nobody cares about that (apparently not even you TERFs), because there isn't a trans person involved.
Trans women aren't safe in either prison. In men's prisons, they are v-coded (awarded to violent sex offenders as cellmates/prison wives), harassed/assaulted/raped by prison guards and other inmates. In women's prisons, they are harassed/assaulted/raped by male prison guards and cisgender female inmates, albeit less frequently.
The only place a trans inmate is somewhat safe is in a dedicated transgender ward, but that is not something that you people are willing to consider. Obviously cruelty is the point. Well, that and eradication.
There are no “trans” people. “Trans” is a fraud, not to mention “cis.”
Whenever a male commits a sex assault against a woman in a prison, he’s not a prisoner pretending to be someone he isn’t and it’s not covered up by claiming he’s actually a woman.
He’s fired, charged, and punished. He’s not told he’s a woman.
The fact that you cover it up like this means you’re a rape apologist.
There are no “trans” women.
Men in men’s prisons attack each other for all different kinds of reasons, gangs, race, nationality, etc. That’s for the male prison to deal with. Women’s prisons aren’t rehab centers for defective men, and women aren’t emotional support animals for men.
No, I didn't think you that you might care about the issue of male prison guards raping female inmates. (I do, BTW. I think women's prison guards should be female.)
And I was correct that you wouldn't hop on my suggestion that trans inmates have their own wards or wings by saying, "I think that would be a great idea."
And YOU have the nerve to call ME immoral! Just... wow.
Fine, if all of the guards should be female, then why shouldn’t all of the inmates be female when that’s the whole purpose of having a prison for females?
The prison is for the female inmates, not the guards.
Male inmates don't need a wing INSIDE of a female prison--they have their own entire male prison.
You people are so dumb it's actually enraging. This is why everyone hates all of you.
Are you unable to entertain two concepts in your head at the same time? If I were a prison inmate, I wouldn't want to be housed with cisgender inmates PERIOD. Not male. Not female. But I'm sure you would object to that.
I hope for the day when everyone enabling these cruelties is convicted by the ICC or some sort of ad-hoc "Nuremberg" court of crimes against humanity - and imprisoned for the good of society.
Oh, I'm sure you'll fill up the concentration camps with lots of people. That doesn't mean you folks won't stand trial for the atrocities you have perpetrated against us, nor will it mean you'll be remembered favorably by historians and future societies.
BTW, as far as sending the doctors to prison, that sounds very reminiscent of Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld and the destruction of his institute by the nazis.
Ah, the classic "insult the person you disagree with using slurs when you run out of ammunition." Look, Kat, every point you've raised here and in the neighboring thread is nothing more than conjecture. You're solely making unfalsifiable, normative claims without any evidence to back up those assertions. And you're wading into ad hominem attacks to cover up for that fact.
If you want to have an actual discussion, have it. But if you're going to keep at it in this manner, please just...leave.
Wow! The nerve. You are on Aleksandra's substack, throwing hate around about the people here in the comments section on one of her articles. And SHE is wasting YOUR time?! Incredible.
There are many anti-transgender hate echo chambers where your time would be better spent and where your precious time wouldn't be "wasted."
You are making an observation on the mental capacity of women like me based solely on what we believe about the world; in other words, not an observation at all. Nothing about the comment I left conveys anything about intelligence. It conveys that I know my way about evidentiary standards, maybe, but not anything about intelligence.
You say that there is no such thing as “trans,” and that IS a false claim. The word does have a plain english language meaning that has remained relatively consistent for decades: “denoting a person whose gender identity does not match their assigned sex at birth.” Whether or not you agree with that definition is a different question entirely, but you cannot deny that there are people who would describe themselves as trans.
You’re also making a very large claim: “not a single one does.” And in your next sentence, you say that “nothing supports putting male criminals in women’s prisons.” The first claim is overgeneralizing, and the second is attempting to shift the burden of proof onto me. But that burden lies with you, because you are the one arguing in favor of changing the status quo.
“Woman” doesn’t need a logical definition. Do you remember learning to speak as a child? You learn languages with pictures; in this case, a woman is anyone who looks like a woman.
And finally, you can leave at any time. Nobody is forcing you—let alone asking you—to be here insulting my readers.
I’m getting tired of this very specific type of people who have been emboldened by our presidents moves doing this to just bulldoze past laws that district them doing crap like this, and just doing it anyway. But because their politicians they get zero punishment for willingly going against federal law for example.
This isn’t normal at all and it’s becoming all too common for them to keep doing this and it’s spreading like a plague ugh.
This also sounds like it wouldn’t be constitutional either under the cruel and unusual punishment bit, They mention they committed a crime so their in prison however this includes people wrongfully convicted, people there for nonviolent crimes, etc. and just because they committed a crime doesn’t mean they don’t deserve healthcare the way anyone else did, they already barely get any proper healthcare to begin with despite their being laws requiring them to get bare minimums many are barely getting said bare minimums whether it be cancer preventions, heart issue, etc. Hell basic toiletries and menstrual products are extremely limited as is and the people who manage these supplies in the prisons from what little their states provide them end up having to pick and choose, ration, etc. a ton of these as best as they can, choose between who gets said products and who doesn’t, it’s terrible.
Also his excuse sounds a lot like people who purposefully misgender trans people the moment they do something they don’t like as if that’s any good reason or excuse to just suddenly start being transphobic, many of which claim in the same breath to be allies, only when you fit into their standards of conduct though, otherwise they’ll stop ‘respecting’ your identity, pronouns, and very existence. But now he’s spread it to prisons ugh.
Ummmm…but it’s okay for taxpayers to pay for the healthcare of a felon in the Whitehouse????? Who gets to decide who deserves healthcare and who doesn’t?
The good thing is this is still being litigated at the Federal Level so I see eventually this getting overturned. I own property in Missouri, Mississippi, Ohio, Kentucky and Ohio is honestly the most friendly state where I go. Like people are respectful in Ohio mostly especially in Columbus Metro.
Removing transgender women from estradiol can cause them to have a stroke and probably die.
Not only does this violate Hicklin v Precythe it also violates Estelle v. Gamble, 429 U.S. 97 (1976) which is a US Supreme Court case.
Of course it violates Estelle v. Gamble, but I mean, these are the same people that actively campaign against banning capital punishment.
They like it when prisoners suffer. Trans prisoners are just their test case for that.
As a former inmate I know that all too well.
its fuckin' scary
There is a word for this: persecution.
There's a word for it--truth.
Hmmm... It's hilarious that you, with your towering TERF intellect that is so superior to all of ours, don't realize you just agreed with Amber's point. I think that was not your intention. Was it?
There is no genocide here because "trans" does not exist.
Telling a man that he can't have a wig isn't genocide.
You people are insane, and this is why everyone hates you.
In the US: https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts/red-flag-alert---anti-trans-genocide-in-the-usa---%233
On TERF Island: https://www.lemkininstitute.com/red-flag-alerts/red-flag-alert-on-anti-trans-and-intersex-rights-in-the-uk
This is a death sentence for post-op trans women. Not hypothetical, not imaginary; they will die. A post-op trans woman without estradiol is considered to be in a life-threatening medical emergency, period. It doesn't matter what courts rule; ultimately, SCOTUS will gleefully allow it. They have now proceeded to begin killing us. Prisoners are just the start.
This new law is abhorrent, absolutely! However, for the record, a post-op losing exogenous estradiol is not in a medical emergency. It's more similar to forced menopause. I happen to be in such a situation. I was talked into discontinuing HRT about 10 years ago, in the wake of the Women's Health Initiative study, which recommended against HRT (for ALL women) to reduce a small slate of serious lifetime medical risks. Of course NOW we learn that the data were incorrectly interpreted and that this was a bad recommendation. I plan to go back on HRT soon, and there is zero research to indicate whether this is a good idea or a bad idea (resuming HRT after a decade of being off it, not knowing whether it is "too late" physiologically). Of course this law will put post-op inmates into the same situation of having to make medical decisions later that are not informed by medical research.
IMO, the worst effects will be suffered by inmates who have not undergone GRS - especially trans women, who will suffer the masculinizing effects of their endogenous hormones. That, combined with forced social detransition, will be devastating psychologically. If I were in that situation, along with having to suffer incarceration among intact men, there's no question I would commit suicide.
I appreciate your comment, but my health care team has another perspective, and it is absolutely a different situation medically and hormonally from cis menopause. I certainly did not intend to downplay the horrific impacts on non-op trans individuals by limiting the scope of my comment. None are free until all are free. All the best, Tess
It might be a bit different from natural menopause, but it's pretty much identical to a cis woman being hysterectomized.
FAIW, my physician recently ordered up some labs to test my circulating steroid levels. Even without testes or ovaries, I have similar levels of circulating steroids to post-menopausal women, undoubtedly due to adrenal production.
At age 65, I feel I'm in pretty good health overall, but I do want to re-start the HRT, at least at low levels, because I do feel my body getting old. (Why age faster than you have to, right?)
of course they did. they are probably jacking off 2 dis shit
Absolute evil, no other way to describe it.
This policy was enacted for no other reason than to cause harm to a vulnerable population.
Men aren't vulnerable.
The women in prison that these men threaten are the vulnerable ones.
Not sure about your country, but in the US, cisgender female prisoners are very often sexually harassed/assaulted/raped by male prison guards, but nobody cares about that (apparently not even you TERFs), because there isn't a trans person involved.
Trans women aren't safe in either prison. In men's prisons, they are v-coded (awarded to violent sex offenders as cellmates/prison wives), harassed/assaulted/raped by prison guards and other inmates. In women's prisons, they are harassed/assaulted/raped by male prison guards and cisgender female inmates, albeit less frequently.
The only place a trans inmate is somewhat safe is in a dedicated transgender ward, but that is not something that you people are willing to consider. Obviously cruelty is the point. Well, that and eradication.
There are no “trans” people. “Trans” is a fraud, not to mention “cis.”
Whenever a male commits a sex assault against a woman in a prison, he’s not a prisoner pretending to be someone he isn’t and it’s not covered up by claiming he’s actually a woman.
He’s fired, charged, and punished. He’s not told he’s a woman.
The fact that you cover it up like this means you’re a rape apologist.
There are no “trans” women.
Men in men’s prisons attack each other for all different kinds of reasons, gangs, race, nationality, etc. That’s for the male prison to deal with. Women’s prisons aren’t rehab centers for defective men, and women aren’t emotional support animals for men.
Male violence is a male problem.
Stop lying. You’re immoral. Have shame.
No, I didn't think you that you might care about the issue of male prison guards raping female inmates. (I do, BTW. I think women's prison guards should be female.)
And I was correct that you wouldn't hop on my suggestion that trans inmates have their own wards or wings by saying, "I think that would be a great idea."
And YOU have the nerve to call ME immoral! Just... wow.
Fine, if all of the guards should be female, then why shouldn’t all of the inmates be female when that’s the whole purpose of having a prison for females?
The prison is for the female inmates, not the guards.
Male inmates don't need a wing INSIDE of a female prison--they have their own entire male prison.
You people are so dumb it's actually enraging. This is why everyone hates all of you.
Are you unable to entertain two concepts in your head at the same time? If I were a prison inmate, I wouldn't want to be housed with cisgender inmates PERIOD. Not male. Not female. But I'm sure you would object to that.
I hope for the day when everyone enabling these cruelties is convicted by the ICC or some sort of ad-hoc "Nuremberg" court of crimes against humanity - and imprisoned for the good of society.
The doctors who mutilate delusional people and put men in women's prisons are the ones who will be going to prison soon.
Oh, I'm sure you'll fill up the concentration camps with lots of people. That doesn't mean you folks won't stand trial for the atrocities you have perpetrated against us, nor will it mean you'll be remembered favorably by historians and future societies.
BTW, as far as sending the doctors to prison, that sounds very reminiscent of Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld and the destruction of his institute by the nazis.
Troons and troon defenders are literal retards.
Seriously. You people are all mentally deficient.
Ah, the classic "insult the person you disagree with using slurs when you run out of ammunition." Look, Kat, every point you've raised here and in the neighboring thread is nothing more than conjecture. You're solely making unfalsifiable, normative claims without any evidence to back up those assertions. And you're wading into ad hominem attacks to cover up for that fact.
If you want to have an actual discussion, have it. But if you're going to keep at it in this manner, please just...leave.
I am making an observation on the mental capacity of men like you and the dolts who defend men like you. It's completely warranted, and it is correct.
There is no such thing as "trans."
Male criminals do not belong in women's prisons. Not a single one does, and nothing supports putting male criminals in women's prisons.
You can't even define "woman" logically.
Don't speak to me about evidence, sir.
You are a man. Stop wasting everyone's time.
LOL... "Stop wasting everyone's time."
Wow! The nerve. You are on Aleksandra's substack, throwing hate around about the people here in the comments section on one of her articles. And SHE is wasting YOUR time?! Incredible.
There are many anti-transgender hate echo chambers where your time would be better spent and where your precious time wouldn't be "wasted."
You are making an observation on the mental capacity of women like me based solely on what we believe about the world; in other words, not an observation at all. Nothing about the comment I left conveys anything about intelligence. It conveys that I know my way about evidentiary standards, maybe, but not anything about intelligence.
You say that there is no such thing as “trans,” and that IS a false claim. The word does have a plain english language meaning that has remained relatively consistent for decades: “denoting a person whose gender identity does not match their assigned sex at birth.” Whether or not you agree with that definition is a different question entirely, but you cannot deny that there are people who would describe themselves as trans.
You’re also making a very large claim: “not a single one does.” And in your next sentence, you say that “nothing supports putting male criminals in women’s prisons.” The first claim is overgeneralizing, and the second is attempting to shift the burden of proof onto me. But that burden lies with you, because you are the one arguing in favor of changing the status quo.
“Woman” doesn’t need a logical definition. Do you remember learning to speak as a child? You learn languages with pictures; in this case, a woman is anyone who looks like a woman.
And finally, you can leave at any time. Nobody is forcing you—let alone asking you—to be here insulting my readers.
Oh lookie! New hate language! (I had to look up the term. I guess it hasn't crossed the ocean yet.)
No no…ain't gonna fly …nope
I’m getting tired of this very specific type of people who have been emboldened by our presidents moves doing this to just bulldoze past laws that district them doing crap like this, and just doing it anyway. But because their politicians they get zero punishment for willingly going against federal law for example.
This isn’t normal at all and it’s becoming all too common for them to keep doing this and it’s spreading like a plague ugh.
This also sounds like it wouldn’t be constitutional either under the cruel and unusual punishment bit, They mention they committed a crime so their in prison however this includes people wrongfully convicted, people there for nonviolent crimes, etc. and just because they committed a crime doesn’t mean they don’t deserve healthcare the way anyone else did, they already barely get any proper healthcare to begin with despite their being laws requiring them to get bare minimums many are barely getting said bare minimums whether it be cancer preventions, heart issue, etc. Hell basic toiletries and menstrual products are extremely limited as is and the people who manage these supplies in the prisons from what little their states provide them end up having to pick and choose, ration, etc. a ton of these as best as they can, choose between who gets said products and who doesn’t, it’s terrible.
Also his excuse sounds a lot like people who purposefully misgender trans people the moment they do something they don’t like as if that’s any good reason or excuse to just suddenly start being transphobic, many of which claim in the same breath to be allies, only when you fit into their standards of conduct though, otherwise they’ll stop ‘respecting’ your identity, pronouns, and very existence. But now he’s spread it to prisons ugh.
Ummmm…but it’s okay for taxpayers to pay for the healthcare of a felon in the Whitehouse????? Who gets to decide who deserves healthcare and who doesn’t?
We are living in 1930s Germany! We had better rise up and take back our freedoms, or we will all die together.
WTF!🤬
@Aleksandra Vaca please see my message - urgent!!
Omg - this must not be allowed to happen 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Worthless fking humans! Fking Missouri
The good thing is this is still being litigated at the Federal Level so I see eventually this getting overturned. I own property in Missouri, Mississippi, Ohio, Kentucky and Ohio is honestly the most friendly state where I go. Like people are respectful in Ohio mostly especially in Columbus Metro.